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Animals

Animals
Pink Floyd
Released January 23, 1977
CBS IC 34474
Made in Canada

Posted by peter on May 5, 2012 at 9.40pm in listening
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doozerdave: Hi
2012.05.05 at 9.41pm · link ·
peter: Listening Project Road Show II, coming to you live from Kitchener, Ontario!
2012.05.05 at 9.41pm · link ·
peter: Mmm, pig wings....
2012.05.05 at 9.42pm · link ·
jodi: So weird. Technical difficulties have forced me onto a different computer, so I'm at a corner desk across the room with my back to Peter and Dave. Worse, I'm listening to the music over my right shoulder. Not optimal.
2012.05.05 at 9.44pm · link ·
jodi: Dave chose tonight's musical selections, by the way.
2012.05.05 at 9.44pm · link ·
doozerdave: I'm going to tell a long story.
So, I recently built myself a guitar amplifier. The goal was to come up with a very versatile amp that could cover a huge range of sounds and styles. Since I started this project I've been playing guitar a lot more, and listening closely to any music I hear and thinking to myself whether I could get that sound on my amp, or not.
2012.05.05 at 9.45pm · link ·
jodi: It is harder to talk about the classics, and music you are very familiar with, than it is about some of the other things we listen to here. Also, Animals would probably not have been my first choice of Pink Floyd albums to listen to with my little brother, because it's not one of the ones we had growing up. I'm stodgy that way.
2012.05.05 at 9.46pm · link ·
jodi: Aroooooooo wooooooo
2012.05.05 at 9.47pm · link ·
doozerdave: Because of this, I've been listening to a tonne of Pink Floyd lately. David Gilmour achieves an amazing range of sounds with his vast guitar gear rig, not surprising since his effects console is worth some insane amount of money. I have virtually no hope of getting all the sounds he gets from a single amp design, but I'm happy that I can get many tones similar to his.
2012.05.05 at 9.47pm · link ·
doozerdave: Dark Side Of The Moon would have been a better choice I suppose, but Animals is much more interesting musically, IMO.
2012.05.05 at 9.49pm · link ·
peter: Animals is probably the Pink Floyd record I have listened least.
2012.05.05 at 9.49pm · link ·
jodi:
doozerdave: Dark Side Of The Moon would have been a better choice I suppose, but Animals is much more interesting musically, IMO.

That would be even harder to talk about. Over familiarity. I also have not listened to Animals much.
2012.05.05 at 9.50pm · link ·
doozerdave: I love the rich analog delay cranked on infinite repeat. You can hear the subtle decay of Waters' voice as it plays out.
2012.05.05 at 9.51pm · link ·
peter: This was my first exposure to Animals: wkrp
2012.05.05 at 9.53pm · link ·
doozerdave: I also love how the keyboards are imitating the dog barks.

I only recently started listening to Animals but I can't stop listening to it. To me it has as much of a story as The Wall.
2012.05.05 at 9.53pm · link ·
doozerdave: This definitely sounds better on vinyl than it does on the computer.
2012.05.05 at 9.55pm · link ·
jodi:
doozerdave: This definitely sounds better on vinyl than it does on the computer.

Dude. Replace "this" with "everything", sheesh.
2012.05.05 at 9.57pm · link ·
peter:
doozerdave: To me it has as much of a story as The Wall.

Does the narrative carry through the songs in the same way, or is each song a little more self-contained than the Wall?
2012.05.05 at 9.59pm · link ·
jodi:
doozerdave: I only recently started listening to Animals but I can't stop listening to it. To me it has as much of a story as The Wall.

I don't have much desire to ever listen to The Wall ever again. It's like a drawn out anthem to the moment when a band goes from brilliantly relevant to bloated and no longer listenable.
2012.05.05 at 9.59pm · link ·
doozerdave: I can't comment on modern vinyl which I haven't heard, but I would they have not used the CD sampling rate to etch the masters. Hopefully they would use the higher quality studio digital masters, but still, this old stuff, recorded to fat tape totally analog was definitely better.
2012.05.05 at 10.00pm · link ·
doozerdave: "...I would hope they...
2012.05.05 at 10.00pm · link ·
peter:
doozerdave: I can't comment on modern vinyl which I haven't heard, but I would they have not used the CD sampling rate to etch the masters. Hopefully they would use the higher quality studio digital masters, but still, this old stuff, recorded to fat tape totally analog was definitely better.

That depends. I know Neil Young, for example, is very picky and masters everything twice, once for vinyl and once for digital. Some of the more recent vinyl we have sounds excellent, but admittedly not all.
2012.05.05 at 10.03pm · link ·
doozerdave: I didn't choose The Wall because I find it has too many slow and boring parts musically. I would rather choose a few sections rather than listen to both albums from start to finish.
2012.05.05 at 10.04pm · link ·
peter:
doozerdave: I didn't choose The Wall because I find it has too many slow and boring parts musically. I would rather choose a few sections rather than listen to both albums from start to finish.

I could pretty much listen to "Comfortably Numb" and forget the rest.
2012.05.05 at 10.05pm · link ·
jodi:
doozerdave: I didn't choose The Wall because I find it has too many slow and boring parts musically. I would rather choose a few sections rather than listen to both albums from start to finish.

A thousand thank yous for not choosing that. There are parts of it I downright hate.
2012.05.05 at 10.05pm · link ·
doozerdave:
peter: That depends. I know Neil Young, for example, is very picky and masters everything twice, once for vinyl and once for digital. Some of the more recent vinyl we have sounds excellent, but admittedly not all.


Yeah, true. I think it was Santana who recorded one of the first fully digital albums back in the '70's, and the sampling rate was something like 400kHz, which I think is better than most DVD-Audio discs today, which are WAY better than CD's.
2012.05.05 at 10.06pm · link ·
peter: ooh, is he using the Peter Frampton pedal there?
2012.05.05 at 10.06pm · link ·
jodi:
peter: I could pretty much listen to "Comfortably Numb" and forget the rest.

Comfortably Numb is exactly the moment when they tipped over the edge of bloat. Or rather, the end of Comfortably Numb. Funny how we're listening to one Pink Floyd album yet stubbornly discussing another, eh?
2012.05.05 at 10.06pm · link ·
doozerdave:
jodi: A thousand thank yous for not choosing that. There are parts of it I downright hate.


"VERA! VEEERA!" haha...
2012.05.05 at 10.07pm · link ·
jodi:
peter: ooh, is he using the Peter Frampton pedal there?

Dang I was going to make the Peter Frampton joke but I was too busy typing the last thing. This keyboard, it slows me down. You stole my joke!
2012.05.05 at 10.07pm · link ·
peter:
doozerdave: Yeah, true. I think it was Santana who recorded one of the first fully digital albums back in the '70's, and the sampling rate was something like 400kHz, which I think is better than most DVD-Audio discs today, which are WAY better than CD's.

Remember when they used to have codes on CDs, such as AAD, to indicate Analog recording, Analog mastering, Digital whatever?
2012.05.05 at 10.07pm · link ·
doozerdave: I love that horrible tone in "Pigs, 3 different ones" on the main guitar riff. All mid-range and raw. It's a bad tone, but if anyone can make it work, it's Gilmour.
2012.05.05 at 10.08pm · link ·
jodi: I don't think I have actually listened to the lyrics before. Are they actually all about animals?
2012.05.05 at 10.08pm · link ·
peter:
jodi: A thousand thank yous for not choosing that. There are parts of it I downright hate.

doozerdave: "VERA! VEEERA!" haha...

and all of side 4
2012.05.05 at 10.08pm · link ·
doozerdave:
peter: I could pretty much listen to "Comfortably Numb" and forget the rest.


I go for the first half of 1, then Hey You and Comfortably Numb from 2.
2012.05.05 at 10.09pm · link ·
doozerdave:
jodi: I don't think I have actually listened to the lyrics before. Are they actually all about animals?


No, don't think so. Pretty sure Dogs are savvy (slimy) salesmen and business dudes, and pigs are the higher ups.
2012.05.05 at 10.10pm · link ·
peter:
doozerdave: I love that horrible tone in "Pigs, 3 different ones" on the main guitar riff. All mid-range and raw. It's a bad tone, but if anyone can make it work, it's Gilmour.

There's a darkness in this record, or at least a quality of darkness, that Pink Floyd hadn't really had previously.
2012.05.05 at 10.11pm · link ·
jodi: Maybe someone can explain to me the whole allure of the "digitally remastered" vinyl reissues, then. Why is it necessary to remaster digitally and put it back on vinyl, when the music was already mastered for vinyl in the first place? Obviously I have no idea what any of these words actually mean, but that doesn't stop me from having strong opinions about it. Also, 180 gram vinyl takes up too much room on the record shelves, just sayin'.
2012.05.05 at 10.11pm · link ·
doozerdave:
peter: ooh, is he using the Peter Frampton pedal there?


yep, talk box action. No "Kickstart my heeeaaaart" though. ;)
2012.05.05 at 10.12pm · link ·
peter:
doozerdave: No, don't think so. Pretty sure Dogs are savvy (slimy) salesmen and business dudes, and pigs are the higher ups.

All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.
2012.05.05 at 10.12pm · link ·
doozerdave: ...and of course, we are the sheep. Hopelessly passing our time in the grass away.
2012.05.05 at 10.13pm · link ·
jodi:
doozerdave: I go for the first half of 1, then Hey You and Comfortably Numb from 2.

"oooh I need a dirty woman" is one of those songs that makes me want to shout fuck you! fuck you! over and over, like Brown Sugar, Baby it's Cold Outside, anything by John Mayer. . .
2012.05.05 at 10.13pm · link ·
jodi:
doozerdave: ...and of course, we are the sheep. Hopelessly passing our time in the grass away.

because we are young and life is long and there is time to kill today
2012.05.05 at 10.14pm · link ·
jodi:
peter: All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.

We don't like to play with dirty Epsilons.
2012.05.05 at 10.15pm · link ·
doozerdave:
jodi: Maybe someone can explain to me the whole allure of the "digitally remastered" vinyl reissues, then. Why is it necessary to remaster digitally and put it back on vinyl, when the music was already mastered for vinyl in the first place? Obviously I have no idea what any of these words actually mean, but that doesn't stop me from having strong opinions about it. Also, 180 gram vinyl takes up too much room on the record shelves, just sayin'.


The remastering would be done to remove noise and potentially re-EQ or re-mix something that was too difficult or too expensive to do originally. Depending on the quality of the studio doing the remastering, the end product might sounds better in terms of mix but may lose some fidelity.
2012.05.05 at 10.15pm · link ·
peter:
jodi: Maybe someone can explain to me the whole allure of the "digitally remastered" vinyl reissues. . . .

If it's something other than marketing bullshit (wait, is that redundant?) then it's beyond me.
2012.05.05 at 10.16pm · link ·
doozerdave:
jodi: because we are young and life is long and there is time to kill today


Wrong album, but yeah :)
2012.05.05 at 10.16pm · link ·
doozerdave: How many people were in Pink Floyd, 5? They sure weren't afraid of multi-tracking the recordings back then. Lots of bands these days would rather add people than overdub their own playing.
2012.05.05 at 10.18pm · link ·
jodi: Wave upon wave of demented Avengers, yeah!
2012.05.05 at 10.18pm · link ·
doozerdave: This album is fucking awesome!
2012.05.05 at 10.19pm · link ·
jodi: Have you heard the news? THE DOGS ARE DEAD.
So many great t-shirt slogans here.
2012.05.05 at 10.19pm · link ·
jodi:
doozerdave: Wrong album, but yeah :)

This is what is known as "making a reference", dude. Sheesh.
2012.05.05 at 10.20pm · link ·
peter: The instrumental repeat at the end of Sheep is just excellent, reminds me a lot of the better bits on Meddle.
2012.05.05 at 10.21pm · link ·
jodi: Ah Dave, it took me this long to realize what you've used for your avatar photo. So amazing. Did you know I carry this photo in my wallet?
2012.05.05 at 10.21pm · link ·
peter:
doozerdave: How many people were in Pink Floyd, 5? They sure weren't afraid of multi-tracking the recordings back then. Lots of bands these days would rather add people than overdub their own playing.

Four.
2012.05.05 at 10.21pm · link ·
doozerdave:
jodi: This is what is known as "making a reference", dude. Sheesh.


Well duh, obviously I got it... only my favorite song from Dark Side...
2012.05.05 at 10.22pm · link ·
peter:
jodi: Ah Dave, it took me this long to realize what you've used for your avatar photo. So amazing. Did you know I carry this photo in my wallet?

It's on his facebook too :)
2012.05.05 at 10.22pm · link ·
jodi:
peter: The instrumental repeat at the end of Sheep is just excellent, reminds me a lot of the better bits on Meddle.

Yeah! I was thinking of Meddle too. Of course there are all sorts of little bits throughout this that reappear in The Wall as well. With a completely different and less awesome effect, but let's not beat that dead horse anymore.
2012.05.05 at 10.22pm · link ·
jodi:
doozerdave: Well duh, obviously I got it... only my favorite song from Dark Side...

Bleakest song ever. My favourite also.
2012.05.05 at 10.23pm · link ·
jodi: And, we are finished. Now I wish we had Wish You Were Here to play next. Ah well, such are the limitations of taking the project on the road; we do not have our entire 1400 odd records to spin on a whim.
2012.05.05 at 10.24pm · link ·
peter:
jodi: Yeah! I was thinking of Meddle too. Of course there are all sorts of little bits throughout this that reappear in The Wall as well. With a completely different and less awesome effect, but let's not beat that dead horse anymore.

This album could use some horses, if only to complete the Animal Farm cast.
2012.05.05 at 10.25pm · link ·
jodi:
peter: This album could use some horses, if only to complete the Animal Farm cast.

SOME PIG
2012.05.05 at 10.28pm · link ·
doozerdave: Yeah, I considered Wish You Were Here also, but I felt that songs like "Shine On You Crazy Diamond" also fell into the too frequently played category, like stuff off The Wall. Also, Animals is my favourite. :)
2012.05.05 at 10.29pm · link ·
jodi: There is always a certain level of snark between Peter and I in these discussions simply because we have been together for so long. But the brother-sister snark is different. I need to invite my baby brother along more often, maybe we'll get into one of those all-out fist fights one of these times.
2012.05.05 at 10.31pm · link ·

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